Anonymous said...First, to this person, I am not your enemy nor do I want to be your enemy. But on March 21st, 2010 a line was clearly drawn in the sand, not by Conservatives, but by the Liberal controlled Congress and Administration. That is simply a fact. Americans from every race, socioeconomic class, and age have pleaded for a year to be heard and respected. I could post videos of numerous Town Hall meetings, protests, letters, and emails of everyday Americans asking their Representatives to listen to them - only to be ignored. And if being ignored wasn't enough, those very 'Representatives' responded by telling the People that they know what's best for them. Then, adding insult to injury, the Speaker of the House was boasting and laughing on the House Floor before the final vote. The arrogance was sickening.
You really, honestly in your heart think that Progressives want to end democracy? This kind of hyperbolic rhetoric is terrifying. It no longer extends to policies or ideas, but is now becoming hateful against fellow American citizens who happen to have different ideas than you. Labeling half of the country as evil, freedom-hating socialists is hateful. Can you not make your point without making enemies?
Let me clear up a few items before I go into what I think Healthcare reform means to true Conservatives.
To answer your first question, "You really, honestly in your heart think that Progressives want to end democracy?" My answer is, Yes. I'm actually surprised you don't. There is currently a book in circulation authored by Richard Creamer titled, "Listen to Your Mother, Stand Up Straight - How Progressives Can Win." A very interesting part of the book is the '10 point plan for the Progressive Agenda for Structural Change." Below are steps 1-3, and it must be a coincidence that all 3 pertain to Healthcare Reform.
1.“We must create a national consensus that health care is a right, not a commodity; and that government must guarantee that right.”
2.“We must create a national consensus that the health care system is in crisis.”
3.“Our messaging program over the next two years should focus heavily on reducing the credibility of the health insurance industry and focusing on the failure of private health insurance.”
I know, I know the next step in your argument is -'not all Progressives think this", but don't you? The Progressive agenda is designed to take America toward Socialism, plain and simple.
Now Healthcare Reform.
Conservatives do a poor job of articulating their position on Healthcare Reform. Yes, reform is needed. Most Americans do not think that Insurance Companies should exclude individuals with pre-existing conditions and no-one in the mist of a medical crisis should lose their coverage. But that doesn't take a 2700 page bill to change, nor does it require the Government take-over of 1/6 of the economy.
In order to reduce cost, you need competition--drop the state-to-state barriers and allow the American Public to be consumers. We will decide what is best for our situation. Healthcare is personal, and no two Americans are alike or need the same coverage. So, let us purchase what is best for our needs. De-regulate the barriers and watch the prices go down!
We ask Doctors to save us. We put our lives in their hands, yet we allow un-godly lawsuits to be filed against them. Why? If the Government wants to regulate an area - then place controls here. Funny how the government has no issue controlling the People, but refuses to consider placing controls around malpractice suits.
This is the first time in our history that the government is forcing the people to purchase something. The choice to be uninsured has been taken off the table. After BHO signs the bill into law, I no longer have the right as an American NOT to have Health Insurance. Yes, a right is being taken away from me.
As much as the Liberals want to say Healthcare is a right, it is also a right not to have it - CHOICE is the true right that is being taken away from the People. To date, nothing has kept Americans from obtaining some form of coverage. That is a key element that most Liberals fail to acknowledge. The avenues to be insured or to have an organization pay for you medical expenses are out there. For instance, the State of California offers Healthy Family or Medi-Cal to families that can't afford coverage, the elderly, and individuals that have lost their jobs. It's not just California that offers coverage; numerous states offer various types of coverage : Alabama, Tennessee ,, and New York - just to name a few. The coverage is there, but doesn't require Federal oversight to maintain. Isn't this really a state issue to begin with?
Not to mention the corruption and closed-door deals. Why should Americans in Wyoming be forced to pay additional taxes to fund the special deal in Louisiana or Florida? Why does Pennsylvania get money for an airport in a Healthcare bill? What does anything about student loans have to do healthcare? Nothing! But all that was part of this bill.
The argument isn't whether reform is needed, but how that reform is delivered!
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."That's right! Don't just blindly sustain some one's poverty - teach them, empower them to succeed and give them the skills to be more. Establishing an entitlement program does nothing but keep people poor. I argue that true compassion is teaching a man to fish not giving him the fish. No Conservative wants to see someone suffer or have less. In fact, according to ABC NEWS, Conservatives care a great deal for the poor:
It turns out that this idea that liberals give more…is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election. Arthur Brooks, the author of "Who Really Cares," says that "when you look at the data, it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more." He adds, "And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money. And he says the differences in giving goes beyond money, pointing out that conservatives are 18 percent more likely to donate blood. He says this difference is not about politics, but about the different way conservatives and liberals view government. "You find that people who believe it's the government's job to make incomes more equal, are far less likely to give their money away," Brooks says. In fact, people who disagree with the statement, "The government has a basic responsibility to take care of the people who can't take care of themselves," are 27 percent more likely to give to charity.
Back to my point: it's not THAT healthcare reform is delivered, it's HOW it's delivered. The government should not provide 'product', but insure an environment in which the free market can thrive, allowing people to attain whatever 'product' they want by their own free will!
Conservatives deliver sustainable compassion!
But....ok
ReplyDeleteTwo things:
1) Wanting government regulated health insurance isn't socialism. Sorry, but it isn't. Perhaps you could make the argument with government OWNED health insurance, but not government regulated health insurance.
Also, you don't have to have health insurance. You have to pay a fee if you don't get it, but that fee is 1% of your income, which is probably less than it would cost you to get health insurance. Besides, are you really denying your work-given health insurance? The government also doesn't let you threaten the life of a President or yell fire in a crowded room -- is that Progressives taking away your freedom? The government makes you wear seatbelts -- are you complaining about that terrible loss of freedom?
2) Socialism is an economic movement. Communism is a system of government. You cannot replace democracy with socialism -- it's an impossibility. But that's just words.
I do appreciate your attempts to help this naive progressive understand, but I must confess I still don't understand your clarification. How is pushing through reform ending democracy? There are more Democrats than Republicans in the Congress. The Democrats passed their bill. Did they do it in the best way? No. Did they do it in a shady way? Yes. But in 2008 America voted in more Democrats than Republicans, and the Democrats are passing their agenda. In November, you get to fight this. This means Democracy is still working.
I totally admire your passion, but simply am having trouble understanding your logic.
Democrats aren't representing the values of Republicans, so they're ending Democracy? I honestly am having trouble understanding.
Hi Anonymous - I probably won't have time to respond tonight, but it is on my To-Do List for tomorrow. Thanks!
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